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Paganism Reject Christianity 11/12/2019 (Tue) 02:40:39 No. 10522
Europeans practiced a diverse selection of native beliefs long before Christianity came. They were 100% European and supported its own people it promoted the family and their race.

Then came Christianity spread by jews it took over the pagan faiths by force. And where has it left us? In a modern hell hole where the pope kisses nigger feet and we embrace a religion that supports race mixing and being cowards that turn the other cheek.

To truly throw off the chains of jewry we must reclaim our own religions and forget about the shit they forced down our throats!
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>Europeans practiced a diverse selection of native beliefs
But which ones were objectively factual?
You'd be surprised to find out that there are more similarities than differences. The foundation of the beliefs and societies of our ancient pre-Abrahamic ancestors was rooted in the concept of Natural Law. In Sanskrit it was called 'dharma', in Pali 'dhamma', in Ancient Greek 'physis', in Avestan Persian 'asha', in Chinese 'tao', for Lithuanian pagans today it's called 'darna' (etymologically related to dharma and dhamma). These beliefs were nearly universally held and seen as the universal ordering principle of the cosmos, axiomatic, universal, eternal and unalterable. The concept transcends religion itself. Though many of our ancestors neglected their traditions, the same principles never waned.

There are many similarities between these so-called "Dharmic" (natural law-based) traditions as opposed to Abrahamic religions. Common things you'll see in Dharmic religions are notions of natural hierarchy, cyclical time, a plurality of gods (whether as truly separate entities or manifestations of the One), reincarnation, virtue ethics as opposed to deontological slave ethics, etc. It sounds like a non-answer, but there are many ways to the truth. The amount of non-Abrahamic literature out there is vast and rich. The outer forms are extremely diverse, but at a more esoteric level the similarities are revealed. The beauty of paganism is that it can allow for mutual respect and genuine pluralism. It is totally disconnected from the Jewish mindset that their version of the truth must be forced upon the population at threat of death.

The first most important thing to do is to look beyond the exoteric pleb versions of myths and seek within it a higher meaning. Here's a link to a paper with some good similarities pointed out between Hinduism, Buddhism (both Aryan traditions) and ancient Greek religions and philosophy
For me, the gods represent certain archetypes of interaction between discrete numbers of things. I suspect that the original religions were primitive number cults, worshiping the algebraic properties of the natural numbers. These numbers eventually took on personalities corresponding to those properties, which I suspect evolved into the Roman gods. Those gods were whittled down and consolidated over time into the major world religions that still exist today.

In particular, Jews would have been Saturnites, Saturn being the God of wealth, prosperity, and social reform (who eats his children). The age of Saturn always ends with some catastrophic collapse under the weight of corruption and degeneracy, and from Saturn is born Jupiter, the God of law and order. This is just the Creation->Weakness->Destruction->Strength cycle. I think early humans noticed these cycles, along with other more complicated ones.

I'm starting to suspect that there is some underlying structure that connects all religions and their interactions, like a physical mechanism that can be mapped to interactions of many different systems and scales, from the harmonic coupling of the planets to the rise and fall of civilizations. This is all just a working theory, but if anyone could recommend some related reading material on these principles ("pagan numerology"?), aside from what has already been suggested in the thread, I would appreciate it. I have little knowledge of Paganism as it is.
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I totally agree!

Nietzhe: "Christianity is the Jews' revenge against the goyim."
"I'm starting to suspect that there is some underlying structure that connects all religions"

All roads lead home.
>This is all just a working theory, but if anyone could recommend some related reading material on these principles ("pagan numerology"?)
Maybe look into Pythagoras and his followers. They’ve been described as believing at the core that “all things are numbers”. Their most well-known symbol is the tetraktys, a triangle consisting of ten-points and four rows. It symbolized the perfection of Number and corresponded to some musical intervals. In their oaths they swore by it. They also ascribed sacred meanings to 1-10, with numbers like 4 having the meaning of justice, the four seasons, the four ages (equivalent to the four yugas or Hesiod’s ages) or three harmony and perfection, etc.
Pythagoras is also interesting for his other beliefs which can be easily compared with Vedic beliefs – such as a belief in eternal souls, reincarnation, vegetarianism, secret teachings (like the Upanishads) and the three types levels humanity. Pythagoras believed that humanity was either apolaustic, practical or theoretic. This can be compared to the foundation of the caste system in India with the three gunas (material natures) of sattva (goodness) rajas (passion) and tamas (ignorance) of how each guna corresponds to a certain caste. More proof of the Aryan trifunctional hypothesis.
Western Civilization is Christendom
When we see Asians or African people dressing in traditional garbs, honoring ancient rituals and their old legacies, we are in awe, we find it beautiful.
But when Whites do the same, we say it's fake, looks lame, it's shit and embarrassing.
This not being helped because of leftist LARPers who understand nothing about rituals and old moral values.
If yes, then WC needs to go down.
Pagan Imperialism all the way.
In a sense it is, but only that christendom(traditional middle ages Catholicism) that had absorbed large Roman and Gothic elements. If Rome, which as genetics proved was basically an east mediterranean mongrel Babylon during the empire and its decline, did not import christianity, a western civilization would've probably been born nevertheless but as a purely Gothic-Romanic civilization.
Western Civilization was built on the foundations of Greco-Roman Civilization. The former is an extension of the latter. Greco-Roman Civilization was pagan.
No amount of denial changes that liberalism and all its forms only came to be in strongly Abrahamic influenced lands. You don't see them in the Far East absent of Euro manipulation/conquest.
Where can I read about natural law? I sometimes refer to it in discussion and have a fuzzy idea of the concept but I’d like to deepen my understanding of it.
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Thank you. I have heard of Pythagoreanism and was particularly interested when hearing of Kepler's interpretation of it. I found some information at
but not very much and of limited usefulness for the theory that I'm developing, wherein the fundamental forces are associated with the basic integers (1 with gravity, 2 with electromagnetism, 3 with strong force, and so on). 1st pic related are trees produced by the first few integers. These trees can be manipulated through topological surgery to produce closed hyperdimensional geometries, such as 2nd pic related which is the corresponding geometry for the number 3. I think the flows on this surface can be associated with the first two fundamental forces, by I'm still trying to figure out how this structure is embedded in 4D spacetime, representing two particles and an observer in an obscenely symmetrized way.

The same site also has this
The Harmonies of the World, by Kepler, which I suppose I will have to read now given that I would like to get inside Kepler's head. However, in the introduction (Proem) he mentions similar observations in Ptolemy's Harmonies, which I will probably also have to look into now.

STEM textbooks? Which laws are you interested in?

Generally, I'd recommend basic electronics as a starting point, as the fundamental components L, C, and R result in dynamical behavior that can be mapped abstractly to many other types of systems. For example:
>Inductance (L) resists changes in charge current (I).
>The energy stored in an inductor is given by L*I^2/2.
Particle kinetics:
>Mass (m) resists changes in velocity (v).
>The kinetic energy of a particle is m*v^2/2.

Apparently fundamental particles are like current loops with mass giving the inductance.
>STEM textbooks?
Careful, anon, natural law (the foundation of all pagan worldviews) is actually different from the laws of nature
Then yes, your link better addresses the question of >>12032

Not that anyone asked, but based on the link, I fall into the Aristotelian school of definition of "good". Hobbesian good does not ensure survival (too much trust on individualistic whims), and Platonic good (incorrectly, imo) separates human nature from human achievement.

Then, in the Aristotelian view, natural law is a direct result of the laws of nature, as humans are a fitness-optimized solution to the natural world in which we evolved. Understand the laws of nature, and you can predict what sorts of life will appear eventually.
*question of >>11907
Does anyone know what happened to the pagan pathway, and associated discord? Name of the channel had Vedic in it
What are the essential anti-Christian works to read? So far I’ve read Julian the Apostate and Nietzsche’s Antichrist so I’m kind of an a anti-Christcuck binge.
It is Judaeo-Christian civilization that has brought us the freedom and democracy we love. Instead of searching for a pagan past that can never be restored, we should accept the gospel of Jesus Christ. It is under Christianity that the western world has thrived for millenia.
This bait is too obvious. "Freedom and democracy" gave it away
Shit bait m8.
Though Christians and Pagans should ally for the time being.
We have more hook nosed issues right now.
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>It is (((Judaeo-Christian))) civilization that has brought us the freedom and democracy (((we))) love.
yeah, i know that shlomo
>Though Christians and Pagans should ally for the time being.
Christians are honestly the source of much of the problem in the first place. It's not even so much that worship a jewish god, but that they simultaneously claim that we're born depraved and evil and if you don't go through the jewish god and the jewish god alone you're going to burn in hellfire. The Christian fundamentally is concerned with the afterlife more than he is the material world, he has his head in the clouds. "What is ~70 years on Earth when I will get an eternity in heaven if I remain a good goy?" Christian values are yet another issue. As we know the Christian religion is built on the subversion of an elite Pharisee jew (((Saul of Tarsus))) who co-opted the movement of a lowly jew Yeshua ben Yosef to win over the gentiles and corrupt them spiritually. We now see the culmination of this practice. Though, if Christians can set aside this and actually fight for their race without inserting all sorts of jewish bullshit and religious D&C, we can work with them. 99.9% of churches are anti-White. I wonder whether they are even capable of doing the things that need to be done. In the long run Christianity needs phased out for the good of our people.
Bumping to piss off Christshills. Daily reminder that the final redpill is VARNASHRAMADHARMA, the system of life-stages and castes. All ancient Aryan societies had similar forms of social organization at one time, uniting the people in a single united and hierarchical whole. Each was in his proper place according to his own nature. Each place in the whole held separate duties and responsibilities. This is society according to dharma (Natural Law)
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White is about European descent, about belonging to a European ethnicity, not skin color. Otherwise an albino Negro would be "White".
Some Turks look White because Turkey used to be part of Europe in a cultural sense until the T*rks moved in. Just go and read any ancient Greek work and it will mention dozens of Indo-European (Aryan) peoples and Greek cities in Anatolia . Typically though it’s best to think beyond skin color, as it can be deceptive. I tend to use terms like “Aryan” or (Indo)-European to mitigate such misunderstandings, otherwise we get stuff like White niggers >>15727
Oh I see.
So where is the line between European and non-European.

How about Russians for example?
Or I remember reading about Finns not being Scandinavians but descending from Ural-Altaic culture like Turks or Hungarians. I believe even their language has different roots?
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Christians are literally incapable of dealing with the jewish question since more than half of their bible is jewish lore. If they're going to turn their ship around, it's up to their own to do it like Earnest did. Anything else is sweet nothings while their institutions stab us in the back every day.
jews and turks that look White just have more European admixture. Don't be fooled though, like "White hispanics" they will betray your race every time. Voting for more rapefugees, voting against gun rights, etc. Civic nationalism is racial suicide.
If they don't consider themself to be European/aryan first and foremost both individually and as an ethnic group, they will fall back to the lowest denominator. A house divided cannot stand. So you have a practical test for the bounds.
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Top kek the books and magazines of the Third Reich were the /pol/ of yesteryear.
More Vedic Fun:

Rig Veda:

Straight translation, no commentary.

Brahma Samhita:


Gaudiya commentary
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Take the Logos Pill.
>Europe would be like Africa without Judeo-Christian values
Thanks for highlighting the bullshit on the first line. It saves a lot of time.
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Why do people shill for this anti-White faggot again? Even his position on the jews is cucked if one really thinks about it (see >>15749). He's good on porn but that's about it. This dude is the epitome of the Christcuck and it really goes to show for the absolute state of Cuckchan that there are regularly threads worshiping this faggot there almost daily and shilling for Yeshua. It's gotta be some sort of deradicalization op, because once you escape from the Abrahamic aberration (((they))) literally have lost all control over you
But if you're already racially conscious and understand the biological nature of the jewish problem, there's a lot you can get out of his books.
Imagine being this fucking retarded. Holy shit, I honestly think all christards are jews from birth, because no rational European, at this point in time, could be that retarded.
cuckstainity is absolutely de-radicalization for the goyim. The ultimate 'Soma' treatment involving slave ethics, living for heaven, anti-racism, anti-revolution, it hits every single point that some lefty kike would tell 'fellow Whites' to avoid getting shoah'd.
Is my computer messed up or did the B.O.N.D. Druid thread disappear?
Are there any good pagan reading-lists out there? I was thinking of making one that incorporates some Savitri Devi and Vedic Aryan works as well but I didn't want to make anything that's already out there.
Convince me to convert to germanic paganism
You don’t “convert” to paganism, you live it. Conversion is an Abrahamic conception, similarly you don’t really convert into pagan religions like Shinto, Hinduism and the like. They are a spiritual way of life. I’d suggest that you check out the Edda and then look into some things like Alain de Benoist’s “On Being a Pagan (link below) and Perennial Philosophy / Traditionalism, something which is very important, since I don’t think it would be in accurate to say that most well-read pagans today online who have realized that there is a distinction between esoteric and exoteric meanings are perennialists / Traditionalists of some kind. Also look into Hinduism – authentic Hinduism, not pajeet garbage. Watch DharmaNation and eventually read the Bhagavad Gita.

Hope this helps a bit. Just stay away from Varg’s new agey atheist LARP

Varg's old writings on Paganism on his Burzum website are very good. Unfortunately in recent years he's been reduced to shilling for his wife's insane female-organ placenta worshiping cult. I disagree with categorizing him as an "atheist" however.

I choose to ignore that nonsense and instead cherish his old writings, such as these.

>I disagree with categorizing him as an "atheist" however
>I disagree with categorizing him as an "atheist" however
I don’t know, he doesn’t seem to believe in God or any gods. Just look at this tweet from a few days ago where he calls you a Christian or Christian-influenced if you believe in literal gods of any kind. “WE are the gods. NATURE is the gods”. In the replies to that tweet he even shoots down Jungian archetypes. I know that he hates Evola and other Perennialists / Traditionalists as well. His claim of Abrahamists or those influenced by them alone truly believe in real divinities is absurd. From reading Cicero’s “The Nature of the Gods” alone we see how religious these men were, and also how they rejected as silly and superstitious the literalist, exoteric depictions of the gods as envisioned by the common people. Yet despite this their belief in divine power was self-evident from the very structure of the cosmos even if they held varying interpretations as to their natures. I’m left wondering what Varg actually believes. Maybe I’m wrong but he seems to be a materialist who cloaks his beliefs in pagan language and symbolism (or nowadays placenta shit). I’ll check out those links. From skimming them they seem interesting.

This post might seem super critical of Varg but minus a few quirks I like him overall.
Some interesting works I’ve been skimming tonight. Hope to read them in full eventually:

Pagan Monotheism in Late Antiquity

One God: Pagan Monotheism in the Roman Empire
I'm not really here to defend Varg's specific views, but it is clear to me after reading/following him for a long time that he absolutely does believe in the divine, and I mostly agree with him on the subject. Yes, he rejects "gods" in the sense of anthropomorphic beings walking around the clouds that we can talk to. Call him an "atheist" if you want for believing that, but if that's the case then I'm sure a very significant proportion of us are also atheists then. The childish "personal god/sky daddy" view of the gods really misses out on most of what the gods really are (and they're not just "forces of nature/man" either).

Read this

>Honesty, valour, fidelity, kindness, empathy, mercy and everything else we see as good and positive is unnatural, or rather supernatural. These are divine traits and abilities, passed down to us from the gods, and not from nature!

Hope this clarifies things a bit.
Hello friends. I am here not to shitpost, but to make a case that I hope you will consider. It has been made before on the old 8ch asatru board.

1.Religion appears to be a positive social structure. It is positively correlated with birthrates, social cohesion/ a high trust society, and personal happiness.

2.Religion is also a powerful tool for affecting society. It is capable of conveying a message to a large number of people and influencing behaviour.

Religion is therefore important and should not be ignored.

A new, vital, useful, and irrefutable religion is needed. A new religion is needed because no extant religion is currently a good fit for our intent. A vital religion is needed for the religion to be influential. A useful religion is one which assists in achieving NS. A irrefutable religion is one based in truth.

I will attempt to lay out the basis for such a religion.

A religion provides the answer to "how should i live in this world?". To create a useful religion, we must provide an answer to this question. However, the answer must also be true or else the religion will be weak and easily refutable. There are many items worthy of veneration which are both true and useful in the pursuit of the end goal.

>one's people (genetics, ancestors)
>nature (the earth, the soil, the sun)
>virtu (strength, honor, courage)

and probably some other points I have missed.

Note that this list contains no deities. I do not necessarily propose atheism. It looks like deities can be both the strength of a religion, but also a major weakness. It is unclear whether they are necessary. It is also unclear wether they are an asset or liability.

As this thread is about paganism I will close by stating my argument against pre-christian European religions, and where I do see utility in PIE religions.

>Pre-christian European religions currently only have any momentum because people are looking for any alternative at all to dying christianity.
>They are 99% lost to history, and we really know next to nothing about them.
>There is no canon to any of them; each branch varied/changed significantly across distance and time.
>PIE religion fragmented beyond any hope of reassembly, and is now a dozen competing branches, all of which have absolutely no internal consistency (see above point) and are all in conflict with one another.

There is no unity, and what tiny info we do have focuses on some amusing stories about the gods playing jokes on each other, rather than on providing direct answers to "how should i live in this world?".

PIE religion can have some utility, however, in answering the question "how should i live in this world?". We can take a look at all the branches of pie religion and distill out of the surviving attestation thousands of years of implicit understanding of how we should live and act. This is a helpful resource in building a new religion.
The tenets you mention are very good and will almost certainly have a place in the New Order to come. A few comments of my own though, it might stray a bit here and there but it’s all relevant

>There is no unity, and what tiny info we do have focuses on some amusing stories about the gods playing jokes on each other, rather than on providing direct answers to "how should i live in this world?".
This is an issue, but nowhere near as important as one may initially think. Undoubtedly much of the knowledge that our ancestors accumulated throughout the millennia was lost. Unlike with the Romans and Greeks, no works of philosophy, ethics, epistemology and metaphysics survive. There undoubtedly were such compositions, but they were never put in writing, being passed down orally by priests to their successors. When Christianity most of these were simply forgotten when the chain of transmission broke. Christians did, of course, record some myths like those in the Poetic Edda, but these are of a more exoteric variety.

On the issue of the gods, the paganism to come can’t be a mere mechanical adoption of the old, though, as you agree. Of course though it will retain the esoteric higher truths within it, but I imagine that the exoteric outer core will be much different. Even the most of the elite back in Rome if we read stuff like Cicero’s The Nature of the Gods dismissed the literal idea of anthropomorphic deities as absurd, as I’ve mentioned ITT several times. It will likely undergo the most radical changes. The old gods will never simply be discarded, and the stories around them have much value both culturally and spiritually, but we’re in a much different time now. Ultimately, though, time will tell.

I think some idea of the Divine, the Absolute or the All is necessary and makes logical sense. I won’t pretend to be wise to its nature though, personal or impersonal. I think Perennial Philosophy will be extremely important in the spiritual future of our race along with the concept of Dharma / Natural Law. (see: 17910).

The final redpill is that there is one Truth – with the Divine Unity being the Primordial Truth – which manifests itself through a variety of exoteric outer forms and that religions are adaptations of this to different mentalities and conditions. Of course that means some religions may be further or closer to the Truth than others. One can't just sputter out any nonsense and claim that it in line with Tradition (see New Age garbage). This is different from the childish and intellectually lazy claim of "all religions are the same / equal" though. This is clearly not true from the face of it. For example if we ask a room of people "what is 2+2" some of them will of course say "4", while others may answer "5" or something completely unrelated and obviously off the mark. This doesn't mean that there is no correct answer or that everyone is correct, of course though. It would be silly to claim such a thing.

Hello Anon.

I agree that Dharma is at the heart of things. In my own reflections, I have defined dharma as "living in accordance with both human nature and the natural world". I offer this as an answer to "how should i live in this world?"

I am not sure I am old enough or wise enough to even fully understand dharma, much less implement it in my actions. It is hard logically reason out "what is natural?", as one might say that all actions exist and are thus natural, even if they seem to go against both nature and human nature. I do have a strong intuition as to what is natural and what is not, but it is hard to codify or justify information gained by intuition alone.
Some excerpts from Savitri Devi’s “The Lightning and the Sun”. These quotes mainly deal with the difference between religions founded by men “above Time” (who believe it is hopeless to realize the Golden Age values in the Kali Yuga and so focus on “saving souls”, being unattached to the material world and pursue individual salvation) and rai suck nigga dickst Brahmanism, a Way of life fundamentally “against Time” which attempts to recognize Golden Age values through its particular type hierarchical and racial social organization, reflecting the original divine harmony and perfection – and how national socialism was (is) the Brahmanism of our age and not merely a political ideology as many falsely think. I don’t like to quote dump but I think this was pretty interesting, as is the entirety of her work.

>Another characteristic of these religions of meekness and self-denial originated by men “above Time” [Devi is referring to Christianity, Buddhism, Jainism, Taoism, etc] is that they take absolutely no account of race either as a feature of the natural Order or as a factor of salvation (as the oldest Way of life “against Time” which I can think of — Brahmanism, — did and still does.) And this is to be understood: they are, as I said, paths out of this fallen world; when one no longer belongs to this earth, the natural barriers within the realm of Life disappear no less than the artificial ones; the Sannyasi has no longer any caste.

>Brahmanism is, as I said, essentially a way back to world harmony and perfection, taking into full account the conditions of each Age, and particularly those of the present Dark Age; a way of life “against Time.” The sannyasi, the man who has renounced the world completely, and risen “above Time,” has first lived in the world the life of the world: as a young man struggling to be, even in thought, master of his senses, as a householder with responsibilities, as a dweller in retirement. At all these three classical stages, — as long as he has not yet renounced the world completely — a man’s caste, — his race — and the Age in which he lives, determine his duties and his rights.

>Brahmanism is not an “other-worldly creed,” a religion “above Time”; it is the one social system “against Time” in the frame of which there is place for all creeds (worldly and other- worldly) and all races, form the lowest of all to the pure Aryan, in a harmony which reflects — or is, at least, intended to reflect — the original harmony of Creation).

>There is one consistent alternative to this extreme position [Devi refers to Jain ethics] — one position as logical and as heroic as it — and that is the one of the philosophical equivalent of Brahmanical rai suck nigga dicksm in our technically advanced and yet dangerously decadent world; the one of the modern creed “against Time” and “faithful to this earth” par excellence, or, to be more accurate, of the modern form of the perennial Wisdom of Light and Life: national socialism, which short-sighted people mistake for a mere political creed and nothing more.
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